Yeah, I agree with CypressDahlia... But seriously. Your art is still amazing (:

Wait did I read it wrong or are you saying that you don't want to go into realism since it makes your art too complex and that you're trying for a more simplified art style like Sutari (I think Faust's is a little bit complex)?

I can't shade for garbage in color anymore. D8 I can detect what's wrong, but I don't have the skill to fix it anymore.


Awesome movement! Everything looks great, but her feet are really big. Look at where her heel is suggested, then look at the tip of her shoe. That's a rather large pair of feet, don't you think?

Damn, all of your pictures are great, especially the ones on the previous page.
I've only just recently returned and your work is impressive as always,

Matt
Exactly what I've tried to do although it gives the wrong imagery about the hair now. Thanks though about the heaviness, I was referring to the detail.

Nisaren
Thanks but I fail to see it as a spoke merely because I do not see realism as something to be that highly regarded to be at the center of things. Personally, I think realism sucks, it's basically just trying to do what a camera can do best. I know many will get offended by that statement but face it, if you really think realism is worth the time, then show me a realistic artist that can actually do nicely with simplification and arrive at par in effectiveness and visual appeal as a manga artist can do best with being focused on simplification. In anycase all forms are of equal value with pros and cons so definitely one cannot take this as a spoke because a spoke cannot be taken mathematically and poses a bias, in this case a bias towards realism (being center and all), unlike a continuum that levels them all to equal ground and can be located in a coordinate system.
I don't know who you're trying to hit with the "Once you start believing that it's impossible, then you may as well quit" statement because if it was me, I must say that being obsessed means I don't know when and how to give up, I can only rant about how I can't get things my way. Thanks for the encouragement.

iDreame
You shouldn't try to match me with a huge paragraph because I tend to reply a couple of sentences to each sentence in a paragraph which means I'll be giving a wall of text much like what's above >.....<. /jk...Thanks

ShadowOfLight
Thanks. The detailed hair is a pain to tone though

CypressDahlia
Greetings to the most High. I'd have to agree about realism being plain compared to manga if it was referring to line density. Realism plays with both lines and spaces anyway.

alienninja
You read it right. Reality is complex because there is no real formula to deduce it. Compared to manga where you can have frames, guidelines and many other standards to quantify the geometry, realism has too many deviations from the standard as being organic. Faust's style taking his lineart alone is simple, if you look at them closely, he really doesn't aim to make his figures 3d, it's just that his coloring and shading sense is beyond normal that it ends looking complicated.

Celestial-Fox
You should try to relearn it. Colored works are better rated than black and white.
I actually have a bad habit of making feet too small when I know that the feet is half the length of the shank. I tried to simulate some sort of perspective in there and also putting into consideration the shoe itself being some size bigger than the foot anyway, I assumed that the foot would be the width of the board from end to end. Do not trust my guidelines...I never follow them anyway, I just use them for positioning stuff hence they look like doodles.

Blazer64
Thanks, I kind of remember your username...probably used an avatar containing Keitaro Urashima?

Title: doesn't really have one as of now (Story: Friend; Art: Me)
-putting in tones took longer than expected probably because I was being meticulous about it heh
-changed my style a bit to accomodate slight simplification and SD forms ah I must say I took it from Toshihira Arata
-definitely faster to draw although I still got trapped in OCD when I was doing the tones
-this page is technically complete

Haha cuuuute :3

Nice skirt design on the right. Really interesting and coolio looking.

Oh and I see that in the sketch she's less agressive xD

Yep, that was me.
Nice work, I like the way you did the storyboard column and its simplicity.
My favourite part of it would probably be the main scene on the right, the way you've made the clothes crease and the hair flow makes me envious. XD

If only life were like the Matrix... I'd steal your detail chip and upload it into my brain.


*OTL*

Also why does it seem like the most professional artists always have an emotional dilemma about their style.. on MT anyway. I WISH I had your knowledge. I do.

It might just be me, but I think her head is a little to big and "squarish" on those last too panels on the left.

Still impressive work, as Rei said over there I wish I had your knowlegde aswell.

Keep up the good work.

ShadowOfLight
Thanks, I changed it because she shouldn't really be violent according to the story writer

Blazer64
Thanks, the clothing creases may just be a side effect of myself being a fan of leaf/aquaplus illustrators.Misato Mitsumi, Tatsuki Amaduyu, Sakura Koharu, Kawata Hisashi...there are more that which I'm unable to find btw, all of them are moe silly goose/silly goose artists just so you know before actually search for them xD

Sutari
That may be possible because I tend to think like a robot anyway *kzt*
I don't think I'm professional since I don't get paid xD. You yourself have a dilemma right now ^___________^

HardToExplain
Thanks. About the head size, I think it's because I was trying to balance an SD from a slight chibi if you know what I mean. The hands in those two panels are overly simplefied as well...about the squarishness...probably because I was rushing it and that old style manifested...I used to not draw cheeks in my characters as a Tony Taka influence. >.....>


WIP
-I'll try to finish this first before proceeding to page 2 of the manga, I believe my eyes have rested enough to tolerate the colors again

ahh nice stuff, like the simple panels

and I like the colours you chose for the last one
Im not experienced with digital colouring so I cant really comment on that haha

Thanks, I like simple panels as well.
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I found this really nice tutorial for SAI sadly I cannot completely understand what's going on but I really liked the style of the artist here (onineko)
tutorial
posting for the sake of preserving

Rei: can you perhaps translate it for us please please xD

I used to color to this direction but I stopped because I was going nowhere xD
sample<----btw this is silly goose and scrapped so it is not finished and I was aware that shading in the belly like that is wrong xD...this was 2 years ago

welcome ;P
I think Sutari is Japanese not Chinese xD (the text is Chinese, though there are A bit of Japanese in there ._.)

I used google translate on it o-o so I think its an alright translation

and for your sketch I kinda like the coloring style

uhh lets see if I can copy and paste...


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Ghost Cat (お に ne こ) SAI tutorial warehouse cat house finished
Ryo's speed had intended to do ... But even if the ne こ に お this is not bad or to do this also finished it ... (with the Greek like お こ に ne ~ ♪)
Author: Ghost Cat (お に こ NE) (for IRADUKAI) Translation & Production: A sub-store cat (with the Greek Asakura)
Ghost Cat House:http://oni26.tudura.com/
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Translation Source: warehouse cat house
Note: Multiply the multiplication = addition = overlay layer = layer

SAI lecture
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Hello everybody I'm a ghost cat (お に ne こ) * Note read: onineko
This time I will introduce the picture above illustration of the production process

■ production environment

□ The use of the software
· SAI

□ Computer Configuration
· OS ... Windows Vista
* Memory ... 4.00GB (horizontal slot ... how much ah this PC ...)
* 1440 * 900 resolution ...

□ use of tablet
· BAMBOO FUN

■ Order
Line drawing
A sketch (with a draft plan suddenly find better words to describe a sub-site) & (there is hope: You finally realize that the / / ▽ / / ~ ♪)
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Create a new drawing board first with a pencil tool to draw a rough impression of the brain


(XD sorry for this)

2 draft
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Next, the drafting of the earlier draft of the layer on the production of a layer (Note * layer = layer)
The sketch of the layer transparency down 20% after the drafting of

3 line drawing
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Then the transparency of the drafting of the layer down about 10% of the new layer painted line drawing
Because after that should start from the line drawing are marked on the top so no need to paint a special care
Good characters and people behind the paintings of flowers and butterflies line drawing is completed after
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(cant post pic unless I save and upload o-o)
(translation isn't perfect but I think you get the gist of it xD)
(sorry for the post) xD
(this is the sketch part lawls)

wow awesome stuff man. i really love the coloring. i wish my tablet was working so i could start doing that kinda stuff to T^T damn thing broke. but anyways nice work XP

Oh and for the comics page id have to say id think you can play with the frames a little more and it be allot better. and it was a little strange how she was sitting down one minute and standing on the swing the next. and the chibis where a little stiff for me. id have to say you should play around with it a little more and id bet you could easily fix those problems