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 Post subject: Re: What are your greatest influences?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:43 am 
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GOD, I HATE Hart. T_T All of the drawings in those books done by him are terrible, and some of the stuff in them is less about helping people make art and more about helping them confirm to annoying manga stereotypes and tropes. *rage*

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Anyway, pretty much everyone has a style. It's impossible not to have one if you have even a little skill in art.

I'm not sure about my on influences. I know I went through a YuGiOh period.


Is something wrong with that?

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Yeah, Reg is with Hammish with this one. A great majority of the english original manga which are being published now are terrible mockeries of their japanese counterparts; Which is exactly why relations are so bad between the 'american comic' lovers and the manga fans.

Hart isn't exactly the guy who started it, true, but there is alot of missinformation in his books. He massively played up the importance of american-style designs in his 'how to draw mecha' book, for instance... I can honestly say Reg gave it a try when he was younger and un-learned alot of it later.

Anyway. Reg's influances?

-Tsutomu Nihei (Blame!, Biomega), who taught Reg characters sitting around talking sucks, cyberpunk doesn't have to be set in the eighties, and that scenery can be awesome on it's own...

-Ashley Wood (Tank Girl, Channel Zero), who taught Reg dirty lines and psuedo-realism taste great.

-Yoji Shinkawa (All the Metal Gear Solid art). This guy has a style of his own. His 'militarypunk' style is unmatched... The saddest thing? Kojima basically gets all the credit, and all he does is make the characters blurt his daydreams during combat -FOR HOURS AND HOURS. :/


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Yeah, Reg is with Hammish with this one. A great majority of the english original manga which are being published now are terrible mockeries of their japanese counterparts; Which is exactly why relations are so bad between the 'american comic' lovers and the manga fans.

Hart isn't exactly the guy who started it, true, but there is alot of missinformation in his books. He massively played up the importance of american-style designs in his 'how to draw mecha' book, for instance... I can honestly say Reg gave it a try when he was younger and un-learned alot of it later.


Never liked (drawng Mecha anyway, but I'm confused by what you're saying. How are they mockeries? I mean, it isn't inntentional per se, or at least in the books that I have.

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Well, I'm totally not saying all non-japanese manga is bad. That would be more than just a little hypocritical... XD

-and, please don't take it as a personal insult, dude. I'm just saying that American manga has little originality, and tends to try beating the Japanese at their own game far too often... When they should really be trying to find a new and more functional way of making this art their own.

...Any of this getting through?... >_>


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Well, I'm totally not saying all non-japanese manga is bad. That would be more than just a little hypocritical... XD

-and, please don't take it as a personal insult, dude. I'm just saying that American manga has little originality, and tends to try beating the Japanese at their own game far too often... When they should really be trying to find a new and more functional way of making this art their own.

...Any of this getting through?... >_>


Oh yes. I just wasn't sure what you meant, I'm not taking it personally, if I were, I'd take you as a hypocrit, and you aren't. I agree with you (at least a little).

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No1 said Pokemon...?

xD..

Ehm,, i think just anime's really, because i always loved how they would draw it..
i mean every anime i've watched inspired me i think xD,, But i guess i really wanted 2 draw the Characters of Gintama xD..
I always watched anime(anime movies also, and manga's, cartoons xD) Thinking it was pretty and cool, but after all the admiring i really wanted to also do that..
Also graffiti artists, when i go through the city i see awesome stuff and i always wanted 2 draw like that 2 xD..

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Well of course Hayao Miyazaki ... ive watched princess mononoke too many times too count art was mostly influenced by all the random animes ive seen like cowboy bebop and bleach and deathnote

Story on the other hand was very novel influenced like the sword of truth series and Drizzt .... elric of melnibone would also be a huge influence of mine i love having my characters being emotionally tortured not a generic person.


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D&D is always a good one. Are tropes a good thing to avoid? I don't think they are, but I'm not sure.

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Well of course Hayao Miyazaki ... ive watched princess mononoke too many times too count art was mostly influenced by all the random animes ive seen like cowboy bebop and bleach and deathnote

Story on the other hand was very novel influenced like the sword of truth series and Drizzt .... elric of melnibone would also be a huge influence of mine i love having my characters being emotionally tortured not a generic person.

Elric is awesome. Moorcock is the fucking man.

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 Post subject: Re: What are your greatest influences?
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Are tropes a good thing to avoid? I don't think they are, but I'm not sure.


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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/moviebob/7190-Trope-a-Dope wrote:
Once upon a time, a young man found himself in a peculiar position: Summoned before a group of space aliens, (which would've been peculiar enough in itself,) he'd been asked to justify the worth of the human race by demonstrating some innate uniqueness to our culture. Or, as the aliens put it: "Tell us one original story from the history mankind."

Thus far, the young man had failed. The great tales of human history - epic wars, royal succession, revolutions, discoveries - were, it seemed, not at all dissimilar from the great tales of a million other worlds... even the stories he'd misremembered or mistold.

Then, he had an idea: Tell them a story from his own life - an experience wholly his and no one else's; the story of his first kiss. Abby Gingerson. 9th Grade. He recalled the experience beat-for-beat to his extraterrestrial interrogators, dwelling on every nuance and minor detail, the tiniest pieces of information forever burned into his memory - one of the most personal and meaningful of all his experiences. Surely this was a story they had never heard.

But the aliens simply shook their heads. "We've heard six billion exactly like it," said one.

Now the young man was angry. They could dismiss human history, if they wished, but they would not speak ill of his memories of Abby. Abby, the most interesting girl he'd known. Abby, who played the guitar (perhaps not well, but with great earnest.) Abby, who'd dreamed of becoming an animal photographer. They had not encountered six billion of her. She was original. She was special. And these purple-skinned, three-eyed bastards were going to acknowledge it.

"Don't be angry," said another alien. "We've simply been cataloguing for a long time, there's nothing we've not heard. This 'Abby,' for example, is a textbook example of what we would index as 'Female-Type 447.3-B.' Also sometimes called a 'Kl'Bo,' after a character in our popular-fiction who epitomizes the type."

"Female-Type 447.3-B kisses Male Type 6792.1-G in Romantic Scenario F-12. That's all it is, really," concluded another.

The young man would not have it. "What about the details?" he demanded. The fireworks that had exploded above them, celebrating a holiday only recognized in their small town. The one-of-a-kind aftertaste of Abby's grape lollipop and root-beer flavored lip gloss that lingered after all these years. They'd heard those before, too?

"Such minor differences need not register," sneered the first alien. "The broad outline of your story is the broad outline of six billion others. Thusly, there is nothing meaningful or significant about it at all - nor your species or planet, for that matter."

The young man had no reply.


or perhaps in a less obtuse parabolic way of saying it, Tropes are all but an inevitability in story telling. heck i've even heard some people say they are a necessary and powerful tool in story telling (readers can more easily understand your story since they can relate it to something else)

thats not to say you shouldn't try and be original, but don't sweat it unless the whole story becomes a bold faced parade of tropes, and even then add some tone of ironic parody to the mix and even that might work

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Hmmm..lemme think.Influences......
I guess Eiichiro Oda for the pure demential story of One Piece.
Masashi Kishimoto and his brother for NAruto and 666 Satan respectively :)
Hiro Mashima-Fairy tail- I like teh style of armors and stuff :D
Yasuhiro Nightow-Trigun-
Tite Kubo-Bleach-

And a few more , but then my list would go on and on and on and on and on etc.

Why did I put the stuff they are known for?Because for me its like this - THe overall design of the characters and world, character development,Plot development.
Maybe it's not visible in my work, but hey i try :)
These guys are responsible for my overactive imagination. =))


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I'd have to say Yoshiro Togashi and Yu YU Haksusho in COMBINATION with Rumiko Takahashi and her hit or miss series Inuyasha are what got me drawing. Early on though I dropped the influences of Mrs. Takahashi's style. Outlaw star was really big for me. I loved the style it was in. As for stories, all the fantasy I read played a big part. I like characters who are flawed and have epic fails, just like a real person would.


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Fuck yes to Yu Yu Hakusho. Poor Togahsi. :/

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This girl, Babu523, on Deviantart (can't hotlink to her because of the school's communist regulations), is now one of my three main influences. I like her stuff for the style, Tony Taka's for the pure skill and costume design, and Yabuki Kentaro for a combination of the two.

EDITED: Thanks, Renzo.


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